AFGHANISTAN

[MikelA]

Abro este post para hablar sobre el tema de Afghanistan que tantos muertos ha provocado ya, sobre todo por la acción de la OTAN y EEUU.
Podemos dar nuestras opiniones tratando de ajustarnos a lo que realmente ha pasado y pasa allá.
Una pregunta, ¿las condiciones de las mujeres han mejorado?, ¿son peores que en Arabia Saudi o la India?.
Podemos hablar sobre ello.
Pongo partes de artículos sobre lo que allí se cuece.
En los que se indica que p.ej., los conocidos Talibanes recibieron ayuda de EEUU hasta que se negaron a cumplir los deseos de instalar un oleoducto por su territorio. Se los trató de vincular con el atentado del 11S pero sin pruebas.
Que los Talibanes propusieron entregar a EEUU a Bin Laden, antiguo combatiente pagado por EEUU contra Rusia, ante un tribunal internacional si EEUU aportaba pruebas.

Taliban received US funding until May 2001. In fact, the CIA keep close contacts with Taliban, many of whose members were US-backed mujahidin from the anti-Soviet war of the 1980s, for possible future use against the Communist regimes of Central Asia and against China. The 9/11 attacks made CIA immediately cut its links to Taliban and burn the associated files.

In recent years, Western war propaganda has so demonized Taliban that few politicians have the courage to propose the obvious and inevitable: a negotiated settlement to this pointless seven-year war. A noteworthy exception came last April when NATO’s secretary general, Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, admitted the war could only be ended by negotiations, not military means.

The Karzai government cannot extend its authority beyond Kabul because that would mean overthrowing the very same Uzbek and Tajik drug-dealing warlords and Communist chiefs that are its base of power. There is no real Afghan national army, just a bunch of unenthusiastic mercenaries who pretend to fight.

The current war in Afghanistan is not really about al-Qaida and `terrorism,’ but about opening a secure corridor through Pashtun tribal territory to export the oil and gas riches of the Caspian Basin of Central Asia to the West. The US and NATO forces in Afghanistan are essentially pipeline protection troops fighting off the hostile natives..

Both Barack Obama and John McCain are wrong about Afghanistan. It is not a `good’ fight against `terrorism,’ but a classic, 19th-century colonial war to advance Western geopolitical power into resource-rich Central Asia. The Pashtun Afghans who live there are ready to fight for another 100 years. The Western powers certainly are not.

As that great American founding father Benjamin Franklin said, `there is no good war, and no bad peace.’ Time for the West to face reality in Afghanistan.

http://www.ericmargolis.com/political_commentaries/time-to-face-facts-in-afghanistan_7.aspx



But Washington gave millions in aid to the Taliban until four months before 9/11. The U.S. once considered using them and Osama bin Laden’s 300 al-Qaida followers to stir revolt in China’s western Muslim regions, and in Russian-dominated Central Asia. The U.S. cut off aid after the Taliban refused to give a key strategic pipeline deal to a U.S. oil firm.

The Taliban’s leaders knew nothing of 9/11, a plot actually hatched in Germany. When the U.S. demanded bin Laden be handed over, the Taliban refused: He was a guest and national hero, wounded six times in the anti-Soviet struggle. The Taliban offered to send bin Laden to an international tribunal once the U.S. presented evidence of his involvement. Washington refused and invaded, blaming the Taliban for 9/11.


http://www.lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis22.html

[MikelA]

Una pregunta:
¿Sois partidarios de una guerra en Afghanistan?.

[REDDEVIL]

Una pregunta:
¿Sois partidarios de una guerra en Afghanistan?.

Yo por lo menos, nunca soy partidario de una guerra en ningun lugar y bajo ningun concepto.

[MikelA]

Una pregunta:
¿Sois partidarios de una guerra en Afghanistan?.

Yo por lo menos, nunca soy partidario de una guerra en ningun lugar y bajo ningun concepto.

Yo tampoco.

Esto decía un americano:

`there is no good war, and no bad peace.’

[MikelA]

Afghanistan y Pakistan como vía para sacar los recursos naturales de gas y de otro tipo.




[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8uKvDf3XdQ&NR=1[/youtube]

[ibn qasi]

es lo que tinen el malvivir sobre pozos de petroleo y gas ...y encima quede en el trayecto de un oleoducto

[MikelA]

El tema de Afghanistan va a ser uno de los más importantes en los próximos meses.
No en vano hay muchos intereses económicos en la zona.
Para una solución adecuada deberá haber un entendimiento de lo que es realmente la sociedad afgana y deberá haber también una cooperación y acuerdo entre Rusia y EEUU.



Pongo un artículo sobre el tema de Russia Today.

January 23, 2009, 15:58
‘Russia ready to work with Obama on Afghanistan’
Dmitry Medvedev had said Moscow will work alongside any country, including the US, on bringing stability to Afghanistan.
Speaking on an official visit to Uzbekistan, the President said Russia was ready to cooperate on the ‘hard problems’ facing Afghanistan.

Alluding to the US-led war on terror, Medvedev said it was “impossible to succeed in Afghanistan and transform it into a civilised country and good economy without considering its traditions and history.”

He said Russia was “ready to co-operate on this issue with any state, including the United States.”.

Medvedev added that his government was “ready to work on hard problems including drug trafficking and counter terrorism.”

Referring the failure of the Bush regime to make headway in the region the President said: “I hope the new U.S. administration will have greater success than the previous one in settling the Afghanistan conflict.”

Medvedev made his comments on the second day of a visit to Uzbekistan, where talks on energy and security are dominating the agenda.

The head of the Uzbek state, Islam karimov, said that the visit by Dmitry Medvedev is meaningful and timely as he’s a leader of the country traditionally determining a policy and an arrangement of forces in Central Asia.

”The state visit by the Russian president and such high-level discussion of bilateral issues and issues of the Central Asian region is a fact that will contribute to consolidation of relations between Russia and Uzbekistan and is a sign of Russia's attention to the region,” president Karimov said.

Uzbekistan is one of the biggest gas producers in the world and Russia is its only customer. So the current gas dispute between Russia’s Gazprom and Ukraine was also discussed.

”We sell all our gas to Russia. So the gas Russia gets flowing through its pipes belongs to Russia alone and it is up to Moscow to decide what to do with it,” Islam karimov said.

Dmitry Medvedev described relations between the two countries as “quite successful”.

Despite the financaial crisis, trade between Russia and Uzbekistan reached $3–4 billion last year.

"But that does not mean that we do not have a potential to grow it,” Medvedev said.

President Medvedev is expected to sign a new trade deal with the Uzbek leader Islam Karimov.

The Central Asian state had been a close ally of Washington, supporting the US-led effort to fight international terrorism.

However, relations began deteriorating after the riots in the Uzbek city of Andijan in 2005, when government troops fired at protesters, killing almost 200 people. In the wake of the shootings, the US and the EU implemented sanctions against Uzbekistan.

Dmitry Medvedev arrived in Samarkand on Thursday. Founded 2,750 years ago, it’s one of the oldest cities in the world and the second largest city in Uzbekistan. It’s often called the ‘Crossroads of Cultures’ as it was situated on the Silk Road between China and the West.

Medvedev and his Uzbek counterpart, Islam Karimov, held an informal meeting in the historic city, visiting famous landmarks - including the 14th century Bibi-Khanym Mosque.

Medvedev, on his second visit to Samarkand, said he enjoyed the sightseeing.

"I liked it very much. Undoubtedly, this city is a treasury of world civilisation both in its historical potential and because of those historical events that started here," the Russian President said.

After the visit, the presidents flew to the Uzbek capital, Tashkent, for formal talks.

"We have things to discuss. We have strategic partnership relations and at the same time we always have prospects for the future," Dmitry Medvedev said.

The issues discussed by the two sides during the talks ranged from bilateral trade to regional security.

Uzbekistan, a former republic of the Soviet Union, became independent in 1991. Its economy relies mainly on commodities, including cotton, gold, uranium, and natural gas.


http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/36289

[ibn qasi]

obama quiere salir de Irak..que no del todo....para manadr todo el ejercito contra afhanistan ya que esta en el lugar por donde pasara el oleoducto que atravesara este pais , Iran ( cuando caiga ) y a traves de Irak ( que ya ha caido) y Jordania llegue a otro pais aliado...Israel o Turquia.....donde por cierto tb convergira el que pasa por Georgia

alsa manuela......aqui hay guerra gorda por huevos


como pa que deje Obama que metan las narices lo rusos........asi que ya saben en moscu... a soltar pasta para mantener el conflicto vivo

[MikelA]

Por eso está abierto este post. Porque hay mucha gente con una visión equivocada de lo que ocurre en Afghanistan y de que salida tiene.
Tiene una salida sensata y negociada.
Por la violencia nada de nada.

[ibn qasi]

no creo qu EEUU quiera compartir nada con Rusia,,,....y eso puede perpetuar el conflicto

[MikelA]

no creo qu EEUU quiera compartir nada con Rusia,,,....y eso puede perpetuar el conflicto

No tiene otro remedio, salvo que se quiera crear más problemas.

[ibn qasi]

no creo qu EEUU quiera compartir nada con Rusia,,,....y eso puede perpetuar el conflicto

No tiene otro remedio, salvo que se quiera crear más problemas.

en eso estamos de acuerdo...si EEUU no acepta a Rusia...el conflicto se alargara

[Rojazo]

Recomiendo la lectura de dos libros del escritor afgano Khaled Hosseini (Cometas en el cielo y Mil soles espléndidos). Aparte de lectura, sirve para entender mejor la postura proamericana en el tema afgano. Yo tras leer los libros he comprendido la necesidad de que haya tropas bajo la bandera de la ONU en este país.

¿Soluciones? En mi opinión el camino por donde vamos no es malo, pero necesitaremos mucho tiempo.

[MikelA]

Recomiendo la lectura de dos libros del escritor afgano Khaled Hosseini (Cometas en el cielo y Mil soles espléndidos). Aparte de lectura, sirve para entender mejor la postura proamericana en el tema afgano. Yo tras leer los libros he comprendido la necesidad de que haya tropas bajo la bandera de la ONU en este país.

¿Soluciones? En mi opinión el camino por donde vamos no es malo, pero necesitaremos mucho tiempo.

¿Qué no es malo?.

La cantidad de muertes y violencia con la presencia de la OTAN se ha disparado.

La solución es el diálogo.
No se puede ir a intentar a aniquilar a los nativos de allí.

La misión de la OTAN es asegurar el control de los recursos energéticos. Tan importantes para las empresas occidentales.
No hay razones humanitarias, más que como meras excusas.

[MikelA]

In recent years, Western war propaganda has so demonized Taliban that few politicians have the courage to propose the obvious and inevitable: a negotiated settlement to this pointless seven-year war. A noteworthy exception came last April when NATO’s secretary general, Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, admitted the war could only be ended by negotiations, not military means.


La historia de siempre la manipulación de la realidad de los hechos, y la satanización de los presuntos enemigos.
Siempre igual, porque funciona. Aunque sea un juego de canallas.